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What were you never going to do in "This system" But did it?

by karter in

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finish school.. finish my apprenticeship (why are you doing that brother karter you will never finish it in this system).. buy a house.. pay the house off.. karter..

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I was never going to leave school, get married or have children. I was going to wait until the new system to get married so I would be sure my husband was a true witness! I left school, went to work and pioneered. I waited until I was 28 but then got married and had five children.

I was never going to retire or get a pension in this system and so opted out of the pension scheme! I was never going to get old. I am now 60. I feel so mad about that pension scheme. I am getting some because I paid in for some years before opting out, but it could have been double.

I was hopefully never going to die (I always feared getting killed in the tribulation), but now believe I will. My mum was never going to die. She is very old now so she will.

So many false hopes drummed into us that we believed. So sad.

I was never going to celebrate birthdays or Christmas but I do now with my children although secretly because my husband is still a witness.

I was hopefully never going to 'fall away' but I did. I would never leave Jehovah but I did.

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Were you beaten as a child?

by purrpurr in

i've been confronting my mother with her dubious parenting skills (abuse) of me as a child.

particularly the beatings i would get with the wooden spoon.

not a light smack but hitting me as hard as she could for as long as she could.

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Spare the rod and spoil the child! Was taken literally back in 50s and 60s, especially by my father. Above the mirror in our living room was a bat, a cricket bat! On it at the front was a picture of a little deer and walking behind it was a bear. The writing on it said "for the poor little deer with the bear behind"! This was bought for my dad by a 'kind' brother whom he was studying with. Whether it was a bought as a joke I do not know, but my dad took the scripture 'spare the rod and spoil the child' literally and often used this bat on our bare bottoms.

It was constantly there as a reminder of what we would get if we were naughty. My dad never stayed a witness for long but continued to physically punish us. Before we would get hit he would explain to us why we were going to be punished. He never did it in anger.

We were never hit at the meetings. My mother never hit us.

I saw a young brother at the meetings who smacked his baby in his arms on the hand for crying, I was shocked and thought he was disgusting. Many children were taken out by their parents and spanked for not being quiet.

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To all my fellow sufferers at this "special" meeting today

by purrpurr in

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how are we all faring?

are we learning anything?

how are we coping?

disillusioned 2

Hi purrpurr, so sorry that you have to be there when you dont want to be.

My husband has gone and I am sitting alone in the house. He didn't even tell me he was going or where, just went. Of course I knew but wasn't going to say anything. On meeting days it is always awkward as he gets ready to go and I dont.

Enjoy your book and let us know if anything interesting is said.

xx

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what sort of reactions have you gotten when talking to other jw when telling them the "truth about the truth"?

by AmIright in

its funny ive read some stories on here about how they have become so infuriated by what logic dictates as being true and their own denying of it because it completely screws up their belief and shows how hypocritical it is xd some look like a nuclear reactor about to blow xd.

share you experiences here :) .

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Anger and astonishment at the things I was saying. Squirming around scriptures that they were not that familiar with such as Rev 19:1 I saw a great crowd in heaven! My sister after discussing this for a while asked me quite blankly "do you want to go to heaven"? I was just trying to prove that the bible says the great crowd are in heaven not on earth. Also a lot of blank stares after asking about Noah's Ark, how did the animals get from the ark to the different countries they are now in? Eventually crying and running out of the room (from them) and of course lots of "you sound like an apostate"! We don't talk about it anymore.

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Happy Birthday to me!

by awake!watcher in

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i am an inactive awake "witness" who recently had a birthday.

most of my family is in.

my hubby is awake, with no family in.

disillusioned 2

Hope you have a great day Awake Watcher.

I have noticed in recent years people giving cards and presents for baptisms, which is something that never happened years ago. They all go out for a celebration baptism meal too. I remember my mum was asked why she never got a card for her grandson when he got baptised. She said they had never done that and she didn't think it right to make a big celebration out of it, it was between him and Jehovah.

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Things I Never Knew When I Was A Witness!

by disillusioned 2 in

there are some things that as a witness i never knew.

maybe i was just going through the motions, attending meetings and not listening much.

never was very good at personal study or underlining answers in watchtower or book study (i never ever answered up) was too shy.. i never knew when i was a witness that they taught that jesus had looked down on the earth in 1919 to see who was serving god most accurately, and of course he chose a small group of bible students living in america!

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There are some things that as a witness I never knew. Maybe I was just going through the motions, attending meetings and not listening much. Never was very good at personal study or underlining answers in Watchtower or book study (I never ever answered up) was too shy.

I never knew when I was a witness that they taught that Jesus had looked down on the earth in 1919 to see who was serving god most accurately, and of course he chose a small group of bible students living in America! How did they know that he chose them, did he send a letter down from heaven or maybe a dove!

I never knew that they once banned vaccinations, or that they banned transplants saying it was cannibalism!

I never knew that Rutherford had a house built for the prophets to live in when they were resurrected (in America) but in the meantime he lived in the house!

There are so many things I never knew when I was a witness and I don't think many witnesses know these things.

Is there anything any of you didn't know when you were a witness or before you started to wake up?

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Out on Facebook

by disillusioned 2 in

i am just venting because my sister has put on facebook that i am no longer "in the truth"!

i have kept a very low profile for years and have silently faded.

many witnesses i have bumped into are very friendly towards me, some from other congregations may not even be aware that i dont go anymore.

disillusioned 2

Thanks everyone for support and tips. This sister of mine is a bit blunt and says things without thinking and she upsets a lot of people because of this. The last time I went to the memorial which was about four years ago, she asked me why I was there! Not "how lovely to see you here" I just said because my husband wanted me to. I havn't been back since.

Sometimes I think it would have been easier to go now and then but I couldn't take the pressure to go on ministry.

Good luck to anyone else who is fading.

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Out on Facebook

by disillusioned 2 in

i am just venting because my sister has put on facebook that i am no longer "in the truth"!

i have kept a very low profile for years and have silently faded.

many witnesses i have bumped into are very friendly towards me, some from other congregations may not even be aware that i dont go anymore.

disillusioned 2

I am just venting because my sister has put on facebook that I am no longer "In The Truth"! I have kept a very low profile for years and have silently faded. Many witnesses I have bumped into are very friendly towards me, some from other congregations may not even be aware that I dont go anymore. Now my sister has done this and I am mad at her. I want to pull her up and refute, especially that I dont believe it to be 'the truth' anymore and give her all the reasons why I believe this but I can't because it will just make things worse.

I just made the comment for her to stop talking about me on facebook and she hasn't yet replied to this.

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Hello Everyone!!!

by Christian Gutierrez in

my name is christian and my wife is katja, and we have been out of the organization for a year and a half.

we were both regular pioneers and i was a ministerial servant.

we were very much happy to be witnesses and doing our best to do more for the organization.

disillusioned 2

Hi Christian and Katya. I am so glad that you both woke up together. It is so much harder when only one wakes up and the other wont listen to reason. I have watched some of your youtube videos and you are a lovely couple and it is awful that you are being shunned. Sending you both love and wishing you a very happy life.

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To those who attended, attendance up or down at your memorial?

by Crazyguy in

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interesting to see if there's a noticeable trend in memorial attendance.

also did they talk more then usual about ones not to partake?

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Heard my husband tell my mum (I would'nt ask) there was 172 at memorial, early one. I have no idea whether this was up or down on last year but he said it like he was boasting that they had so many! My mum said they had 129 and "we only have a small hall" she said. Both congregations in Merseyside, Liverpool, UK.